Blu-ray vs. DVD - Berichte und Pressemeldungen zu den Formaten

[Chris_TC]

[I]Sony-Boss sieht Gleichstand im Kampf der HD-Formate

Diese Meldung hat mich heute auch ziemlich überrascht.
Ich dachte, HD DVD sei schon längst tot? Jetzt bin ich komplett verwirrt

[vokoun]

Du kannst ja bezweifeln was Du willst, aber der audiovision zu unterstellen, dass sie evtl. zukünftig Geräte absichtlich zu schlecht bewertet, weil sie ein Format bevorzugt, ist schon hanebüchen

kannnst du nicht lesen?

ich habe ein posting weiter oben geschrieben das die audiovision sehr neutral ist und mein posting bezog sich ganz klar auf paulmayers beitrag was wäre wenn eine zeitung stellung bezieht.

[Charles Dudewin]

Wieder mal ein sehr guter Kommentar von Joshua Zyber von highdefdigest:

It should go without saying that we here at High-Def Digest believe that High Definition, in one form or another, is the way of the future. I have no doubt that some day our current classification of "HDTV" will be the minimum quality standard for all television broadcasts and home video products. Infomercials, religious programming, high school kids airing their homemade wrestling videos on obscure Public Access stations in the middle of the night -- everything will be High Definition. As technology moves forward, progress is inevitable. When that time comes, we'll all look back at Standard Definition NTSC or PAL with a sense of nostalgia and perhaps a twinge of embarrassment, the way we think of Black & White TVs now. Our grandkids will have no frame of reference when we tell them stories about watching television in the olden days at the turn of the century. How quaint it will all seem.

But we're not there yet, and it's going to be a while.

In the meantime, we have to deal with the High Definition format war between Blu-ray and HD DVD, each video disc format vying to establish itself as the next-generation successor to DVD. The fastest-growing, most popular consumer electronic product in history has been a tough act to follow, and the competition between these two adversaries has generated an enormous amount of corporate hype, controversy, and bitter infighting, all of which has spread right to the consumer sector. Not only do we have executives from multi-national electronics corporations and major Hollywood movie studios sniping at each other in tersely-worded press releases, now even the public has gotten involved, picking sides like fans of rival sports teams -- cheering on their favorite, organizing web campaigns to proselytize its benefits, and attacking anyone with an opposing viewpoint. It's not enough to buy your favorite movies in High Definition; you have to buy them on the right High Definition disc type. The fact that both formats are virtually identical in terms of quality and features doesn't seem to matter. If you're not a soldier out there fighting for your side in the format war, you must be the enemy.

As far as I'm concerned, the whole thing seems pretty silly. At the end of the day, I just want to watch movies in High Definition. Naturally, it would probably make life a lot easier and less confusing for everyone if all titles could be watched on a single format, but it didn't work out that way. As a result, I bought players of both types so that I can keep up with the broadest selection of content, and I don't regret it for a minute. So long as the movies keep coming, I'm glad to have both. To look at it a different way, the format war has actually been a tremendous benefit to consumers, forcing both sides to increase quality and drive down prices to stay competitive with one another. Imagine where we might be right now if one side had rolled over and played dead at the start of all this; we'd be stuck watching sub-par quality software on players starting at $1,500 MSRP, with nothing pushing that status to change.

Nonetheless, if you listen to the rhetoric, the format war has brought nothing but misery and suffering, and if dragged out any further can only serve to destroy our dreams of a High Definition future. The argument goes something like this: Consumers are so confused by the format war and afraid of picking the "losing" side that they won't buy either one until the whole mess is sorted out. If they don't buy either one, both sides lose, companies stop making them, and High Definition home video dies out entirely. This conclusion seems to be supported by the slow adoption rates both formats are currently facing, and it kind of sounds logical, doesn't it?

The problem is that this argument just doesn't ring true. While the format war has undoubtedly created some measure of concern and reluctance in the marketplace, it is simply not the biggest impediment to High Definition adoption. The real roadblock is consumer apathy. By and large, most people out there are happy with their DVD players, and don't understand all the fuss about High Definition. A significant number of them believe that DVDs are already High Definition and have no concept of why they should buy a new player for discs in different packaging. Yes, it's true that sales of HDTVs have soared over the last few years, but that has more to do with the size of the sets than anything else. Most people are impressed by a big screen, not the resolution or picture quality.

Let me relay a little story here. Recently, my wife and I were visiting some friends who'd bought a new plasma TV and were eager to show it off to us. Their 10 year-old son insisted that we watch 'Pirates of the Caribbean' on DVD with them. The set was a fairly large screen, certainly bigger than anything they'd ever owned before. However, they had not done anything that could remotely be called "calibration" with it. The brightness level was cranked up so high that there was no such thing as the color black on screen, just a milky gray. They'd only had the set for a few months and already developed burn-in marks from the letterbox bars on DVDs, and for some reason the picture pulsed every so often, filling the whole screen with nasty pixelation artifacts. As if that weren't enough, they had their DVD player connected by Composite Video cable, and set for 4:3 aspect ratio mode, so the 2.35:1 movie image on 'Pirates' was squished down into a tiny strip in the middle of the screen.

As a dyed-in-the-wool videophile, I naturally found the whole situation appalling, but as the movie started my wife gave me a dirty look that said, "Not one word. Keep your mouth shut and pretend to enjoy yourself!" Of course, she was right. Our friends were so proud of their new purchase that it would have been unbearably rude of me to criticize. After the seemingly-endless movie, I politely asked to use the DVD player remote for a minute to "tweak" a setting for them, during which I mercifully fixed the aspect ratio setting to 16:9 mode. I quickly checked a scene to verify that the change took, only to be greeted with the response that, "We don't see any difference." Indeed, they never noticed that there was any problem before, and were perfectly happy with the squished, stretched, and obviously distorted picture they'd been watching.

Is there a home theater fan reading this without a similar story? We've all faced it, the blank stare of indifference and the assumption that so long as the TV screen is big that everything on it must be High Definition. Out there in the general populace, there's no great consternation about the HD format war, because the vast majority of people are totally oblivious to it. They don't know the difference between Blu-ray and HD DVD, couldn't tell you what either one offers over standard DVD, and just plain don't care in any case. DVD is perfectly satisfying for them. High Definition is not a priority in their lives, and one side "winning" the format war is not going to drive them to buy it any more than they are now.

It's time to face the fact that we in the High Definition community are a specialized niche market. And honestly, there's nothing wrong with that. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard the complaint that one of these formats had better win quickly and take over the DVD market, or we'll be faced with just another Laserdisc situation all over again. The comment amuses me. Sure, Laserdisc was a niche format that never achieved mass market penetration in its day, but it also lasted for over 20 years as the highest quality home video format available at the time, and saw every major new movie released on it. I wish both Blu-ray and HD DVD that much success.

We've already overcome the biggest obstacle that made movie collecting on Laserdisc so difficult, its high prices. Thanks to the format war, we now have reasonably priced hardware and software on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. With Blu-ray players moving down to the $399 range and HD DVD players below $199, we can buy one of each for less than the price of a decent Laserdisc player back in the day. Although it can be argued that $600 is a lot of money in many aspects of life, the home theater hobby has never been cheap. I have a feeling that most reading this article spent more than that (perhaps significantly more) on their surround sound receiver or speakers.

Outside the confines of the boardrooms of the corporations making these products, what difference does it make to the rest of us as consumers whether these formats achieve mass market penetration? Is the fear that both formats will die if they don't take over from DVD? Even within the movie studios releasing these discs, I doubt anyone expects or wants High-Def media to fully replace DVD. The DVD format is cheap to produce and brings in a lot of money. These days, most movies earn more on DVD than they do in theaters. Why would anyone want to kill that cash cow? No, what the studios really want from High Definition is to supplement DVD income, not to merely replace it. Two revenue streams are better than one. The adoption rates for both Blu-ray and HD DVD have been slow, but they are growing, and it's perfectly conceivable that both will eventually be profitable enough to satisfy the movie studio accountants as to the viability of their investments.

The video game market has survived and thrived for many years despite the presence of multiple formats. Why can't the High Definition market do the same? Peaceful coexistence should be possible. The split in studio support means that neither format will have 100% of movies that any given customer may want, but by the same token each video game console has its own highly-desirable exclusive titles. Hard core gamers buy every console, while casual gamers look at the selection available and pick the format that has more titles appealing to their taste. The same rationale applies here. If you need to have every movie in High Definition, it will be worth your time to buy both Blu-ray and HD DVD players. If that's not an option, look through the following lists and decide which one offers more of what you personally like:

Both formats already have hundreds of titles available, across a wide variety of genres: drama, comedy, action, family, classics, science fiction, Western, horror, and everything in between, with plenty more aggressively slated for future release. Even if you can't necessarily get every single movie you want on one format, surely no matter which one you pick will supply plenty of content to keep you busy. And if that's just not satisfying enough, what's the alternative? Stick with regular DVD and stay limited to blurry Standard Definition forever? Where's the benefit in that?

Loudmouth pundits will whine that the format war has been a miserable disaster that will doom High Definition to remain a niche, a scenario they want you to fear as the worst of all possible outcomes. That's a load of bunk and I don't buy it for a second. If the movies keep coming at reasonable prices (those who feel High-Def media prices are unreasonable clearly never bought a $125 Laserdisc "Special Edition"), why should anyone not specifically employed by one of these companies be upset that their format is just a niche? These products are meant to be enjoyed, not to have their weekly sales statistics scrutinized with ruthless obsession. Are we so insecure that we need mainstream popularity to validate our hobby? Are we in this because we love movies, or because we want to boast of owning the latest "hot" new toy?

I'm in it for the movies, in the best quality I can get them. I believe that High Definition is the future, that it will eventually take over as the default standard for all home video. But that time hasn't come yet, and for now we're in a niche market. Mass popularity or not, High Definition quality is here right now. It's available, it's affordable, and I'll gladly take it on whichever formats give it to me.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...the_Niche/1154

[zacman]

Stringers Angaben zufolge gehe es beim Buhlen um die Gunst der Kunden nicht darum, wer die bessere Technologie anbieten könne. Viel eher sei das Wettrennen symbolischer Natur, wobei es vor allem um das Prestige gehe.

Genau und am Ende gibt der Sony Boss dem Toshiba Boss einen Dollar als Einsatz für die verlorene Wette. Oder umgekehrt. Und beide lachen gemeinsam über die dummen Kunden.

[kiser]

"To look at it a different way, the format war has actually been a tremendous benefit to consumers, forcing both sides to increase quality and drive down prices to stay competitive with one another. Imagine where we might be right now if one side had rolled over and played dead at the start of all this; we'd be stuck watching sub-par quality software on players starting at $1,500 MSRP, with nothing pushing that status to change."

Meine Rede...

[fitzharraldo]

Dito. Hab ich schon immer gewusst...

[Dan Dreiberg]

Und nochmal dito. Die Analyse spricht mir aus der Seele. Noch zu Jahresbeginn war das Thema HD für meinen persönlichen Geldbeutel unerreichbar. Ich hab' mich ehrlichgesagt damit erst gar nicht beschäftigt, weil ich es mir nicht leisten konnte/wollte. Nun sind es ganz anders aus. Nur dem Formatstreit ist es zu verdanken, daß Konkurrenzdruck herrscht und die Preise so schnell gefallen sind.

Dan Dreiberg

[Thomas H.]

Neben der Aussage vom Sony Chef, er sehe eine 50:50 Pattsituation zwischen Blu-ray und HD-DVD, geht er laut Bericht auf Heise.de ja noch einen Schritt weiter.

Er würde sehr gerne an den Zeitpunkt zurückkehren, als noch eine Einigung bzgl. der Formate auf eines bestand.

Ich finde das schon beachtlich. Irgendwie fehlt mir da schon ziemlich die Zuversicht die Herr Springer in sein Format immer hatte und auch immer sehr deutlich äusserte.

[Charles Dudewin]

Dazu passt sehr schön ein Kommentar eines Users bei dvdtown:

remminds me of George W. Bush saying mission is akomplished. But now he says mission must go on till done.

Tisk, tisk, tisk!

[Sombra]

Ich denke eher das durch das ganze Imponiergehabe beider Seiten es jetzt unmöglich ist zurückzustecken ohne das Gesicht zu verlieren. Beide Seiten investieren enorm viel Geld in eine Technologie wo es nicht sicher ist ob der Massenmarkt überhaupt möglich ist. Zurückstecken ist leider wohl unmöglich ohne einzugestehen" das war ein strategischer Fehler" Ich denkle wirklich das am liebsten beide Seiten die Uhr zurückdrehen würden. Für uns Verbraucher hat dieser Kampf durchaus Vorteile finde ich.

[Rain_Man]

... finde ich nicht.

Ungewissheit, welches Format am Ende eingestampft wird (und damit eine eventuell schon aufgebaute HD-DVD- oder Blue-Ray-Sammlung) finde ich großen Mist!

[Sombra]

... finde ich nicht.

Ungewissheit, welches Format am Ende eingestampft wird (und damit eine eventuell schon aufgebaute HD-DVD- oder Blue-Ray-Sammlung) finde ich großen Mist!

Mag sei allerdings sehe ich:

- Niedrige PReise => höhere Chance das sich HD Medien durchsetzen (und damit auch höhere Chaancen für besagte BLuRAy oder HD DVD Sammlung) 100$ bzw. 300€ + Scheiben wow Preise sind schnell gepurzelt

- Mehr Qualität in BLuRAy and hD dVD => BluRAY MPEG2 am Anfang ließ sich nciht durchhalten und es wurde schnell VErbesserung geschaffen

- Mehr Stabilität beim abspielen PS§ ist verdammt robust beim abspeilen und setzt damit für HD DVD Massstäbe die sie mit schnellen UPdates erreichen wollen.

- Ausserdem lenkt der HD Krieg eine ganze Menge Aufmerksamkeit auf das Thema.

- Nicht so guter Letzt rangiert das Thema Formatkreig als Kaufhinderniss an sTelle Nr.5 bei Umfragen

[mr.tingle]

Mag sei allerdings sehe ich:

- Niedrige PReise => höhere Chance das sich HD Medien durchsetzen (und damit auch höhere Chaancen für besagte BLuRAy oder HD DVD Sammlung) 100$ bzw. 300€ + Scheiben wow Preise sind schnell gepurzelt
- weiteres groß/klein wirr warr
- fehlende Kommas

Du, ohne dir jetzt zu nahe zu treten.... kannst du vielleicht in Zukunft deine Beiträge nochmal Korrekturlesen? Die fehlenden Kommas und/oder das groß und klein Buchstaben wirr warr machen es echt sau anstrengend das zu lesen und ich muss manchmal doppelt lesen und erstmal nachdenken "was meint er?"`

[Sombra]

Du, ohne dir jetzt zu nahe zu treten.... kannst du vielleicht in Zukunft deine Beiträge nochmal Korrekturlesen? Die fehlenden Kommas und/oder das groß und klein Buchstaben wirr warr machen es echt sau anstrengend das zu lesen und ich muss manchmal doppelt lesen und erstmal nachdenken "was meint er?"`

[mr.tingle]

Ich merke du hast am Ende meine Ironie verstanden aber trotzdem:

[Buyman]

....aber lest selbst....

http://www.widescreen-vision.de/?article_id=620995

Gruss,

Buyman




Edit: Hab´ gerade entdeckt das es einen ähnlichen Beitrag schon gibt - Sorry !

[oli61]

Zitat aus dem Artikel:

Die von der HD-DVD Promotion Group veröffentlichten Zahlen reflektieren allerdings nicht den Marktanteil der abverkauften Abspielgeräte. So ist es durchaus vorstellbar, dass die absoluten Verkaufszahlen der Medien deutlich zugunsten des Blu-ray-Formats ausfallen, da die PlayStation 3 den Löwenanteil der als überhaupt HD-fähigen als auch spezifisch als Blu-ray-Player gezählten Geräte ausmacht und ein Vielfaches der installierten HD-DVD-Abspielgeräte auf dem Kontinent darstellt.

[The_Crow]

Jaja!
Das habe ich auch gelesen und musste denken: Grupp H und Gruppe B. Also wieder mal wenig aussagekräftig. Sollte das aber stimmen dann mach ich eine Pikkolo Sekt auf. Für mehr ist meine Feierlaune nicht groß genug.

[LordVader]

Heavy User im Kreuzverhör

Auf dem Branchenforum "DVD Entertainment 2007" kamen im Rahmen des Programmpunkts "Filme, Filme, Filme - Wie Heavy User konsumieren" auch die drei Heavy User Alexander Rösling, Timo Benz und Marc Baumann zu Wort. Die bekennenden Filmsüchtigen vertraten einhellig die Meinung, dass beim Kauf einer DVD der Film in Vordergrund stehe. Sie seien nicht bereit, für eine hochwertigere Verpackung mehr Geld auszugeben, solange das Produkt nicht auch durch besonderes Bonusmaterial aufgewertet werde. Wünschenswerte Extras seien verschiedene Audiokommentare und Making-ofs. Alles andere, wie Foto- oder Trailershow, wurde als "Alibibonusmaterial" abgetan. In Videotheken gehen die drei Heavy User selten oder gar nicht.

Einstimmig wurde die Veröffentlichungspolitik in puncto Serien kritisiert. Halfseasonboxen seien den Filmfans zufolge dem DVD-Käufer nicht zumutbar.
Downloadangebote sind für die Diskussionsteilnehmer nicht interessant, da der Sammelfaktor und das haptische Erlebnis im Vordergrund stünden. Die Entscheidung, einen Film auch auf einem HD-Format zu kaufen, hängt zum einen von Umfang und Qualität des Bonusmaterials, zum anderen von der bisherigen Preisgestaltung ab.

http://www.mediabiz.de/newsvoll.afp?...i=00000000&T=1

Da muss doch einer von hier dort anwesend gewesen sein, oder?

Und noch ein sehr interessanter Artikel:

High Def: Wachstumsimpulse ja, Boom nein

Im Gesamtjahr 2007 werden in Deutschland 13 Mio. Euro mit dem Verkauf von Filmen auf Blu-ray Disc und HD DVD umgesetzt. Das stellte Dr. Wolfgang Adlwarth, Managing Director von GfK Panel Services Deutschland, den Teilnehmern des Branchenforums "DVD Entertainment 2007" in München in Aussicht. 6,5 Mio. Euro davon wurden in den ersten neun Monaten dieses Jahres durch den Verkauf von 227.000 HD DVDs und Blu-ray Discs erwirtschaftet. Noch mal so viel sollen im 4. Quartal folgen.

Der Marktforscher dämpfte allzu optimistische Erwartungen: "Die High-Definition-Formate haben das Potenzial, für leichtes Wachstum im Gesamtmarkt zu sorgen", sagte Dr. Adlwarth. Von einem Boom könne allerdings keine Rede sein. Im Unterschied zur Einführung der DVD könnten mit den neuen Formaten keine neuen Käufer hinzugewonnen werden. Stattdessen handele es sich um Intensiv-Videokäufer, die ihre Home-Entertainment-Ausgaben gegenüber dem Vorjahr noch steigern würden. Die Hauptbarrieren für Konsumenten, in die neuen Formate zu investieren, sind dem GfK-Mann zufolge der hohe Preis, die Formatunsicherheit sowie die eingeschränkte Nutzungserwartung.

http://www.mediabiz.de/newsvoll.afp?...i=00000000&T=1

[4element]

die eingeschränkte Nutzungserwartung???? Wieso????